Saving children from physical and sexual abuse

Grannie Saving

Welcome to Grannie Saving Kids. Com!

.  UPDATES - 2019 



ALERT!!!!Please find Tab - Courageous Attorney/Author Ali Shakoor at bottom of the page.

My name is "Grannie".  My email address is  granniesavingkids@gmail.comThis is my website and was created in 2012. There is a lot of information on this website. (SEE TABS BELOW) You are welcome to share your story. You will receive a response and it will remain confidential. Our New Testimonial section (it pops up below, under the Therapist tab) is just a snippet from comments about this website and from parents with similar problems in domestic courts. Thank you for your courage. We understand retaliation. Just always tell the truth. This website exist because it is the truth. Children are at-risk when adults are protected. It happens to families in courtrooms all over the country. Grey-area sexual abuse is common. But it is important to protect your child. Speak up and always tell the truth!  Your child is counting on YOU!

ALERT! Gray-area is easy to get away with and so you will have to be persistent to stop it. Franklin County Public Defender, Edward Simon Gemmer was investigated two-times for sexual abuse. The case settled in the mother's favor.

 FYI - ALERT!   Franklin County Public Defender Edward Gemmer has brought up this website in court. He has brought it up a few times over the years, when he is fighting a Contempt motion brought against him by the mother. Gemmer has cried about it and used this website as a distraction from his conduct.  This website tells the truth.  In 2014, Gemmer was found in Contempt of Court.  Judge Lias had no other recourse. Gemmer had lied and taken the child out of the country.  

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Our family met with local and federal officials. We asked for a criminal investigation of Franklin County Public Defender Edward Gemmer. All documents and transcripts (It is a good idea to take notes and use your phone or a recorder and make comparison.  Alarming comments "on the record" may erroneously not end up on transcripts. Yes, it is a felony, but you must prove it, so document everything said in court) relating to Franklin County Domestic Courts case #09DR-4727 and the Ohio Disciplinary Counsel were shared in several meetings with the FBI and mailed to: 

U.S. Attorney's Office - Southern District

    303 Marconi Blvd.  Ste 200

     Columbus, Ohio 43215


There is a lot on this website about grey-area sexual abuse, interference with custody, assault on a pregnant mother, email tampering and distribution, and a false bar complaint, and who did what and when. But, first I am going to tell you about this child support issue, because it is latest concern 2019(At the bottom of this page there is a Child Support tab, and other tabs. I am providing links to Child Support, because I want YOU to understand what is happening and why this website is important. I also want you to get your child support and be treated fairly.  

The good news is that #09DR-4727 settled in the mother's favor in 2012

More good news: In 2018, the mother was awarded $658.56 in child support by Ohio-CSEA   

IN 2018, Ohio - CSEA investigators were fair and unbiased to my granddaughter.  They recognized a CHANGE IN CIRCUMSTANCES and a $30.000 difference in income, between the mother and Edward Gemmer.  My granddaughter is the residential and school placement parent.  

CSEA, they are experts, and they have law degrees.  But, Ohio child support guidelines and their fair determination in accordance to the law, was challenged by deadbeat Franklin County Public Defender, Edward Gemmer. He appealed the CSEA determination to Magistrate Ruttan.  She gave him a break, but reduced it way too much and she overlooked some issues on the mother's complaint. Still wanting a favor, Deadbeat Gemmer appealed to Judge Kay Lias, and he brought up this website Grannie Saving Kids.Com.  This is NOT the mother's website. I am excercising my right to inform the public.  Is he counting on bias, corruption, and the law being ignored in order to benefit him?  It is the same reason that he stole, tampered with and used stolen email communications in 2011, 2012 where members of this family argued over what to do about his inappropriate conduct with the child. Edward Gemmer needs a distraction from his conduct and from child support obligation under Ohio laws. This Franklin County Public Defender was paying child support in 2010, before corruption derailed the case and Magistrate Elliott took the child support away with unfair "Temporary Orders". The CSEA ordered child support restored in 2018.

Magistrate Ruttan reduced the child support ordered by CSEA from $658.56 to $328.58.  Then Edward Gemmer appealed Ruttan's decision to Judge Kay Lias. He is desperately trying to get it $0. Edward Gemmer is making $30K more than the mother, and is married with a total household income of $124.000 plus. This public defender is NOT a single parent with three girls to raise alone. He is submitting lies in order to avoid CSEA guidelines. My granddaughter is a single mother. She has two children.  She told the truth against lies.  The case #09-DR-4727 is a public record.  

 ALERT!!!!  On July 15, 2019, Judge Kay Lias corrected a $473.29 deviation amount to $597.29 due to a "clerical error" in 2012. Why? Gemmer requested this change.  Nothing in my granddaughter's motion, that is supported by caselaw was granted. Gemmer's illogical craziness in his motion was ignored, but what could help him was granted. Emails between my granddaughter and Gemmer where he is refusing to pay for activities or reimburse the mother were dismissed.  And, what is also being ignored is Gemmer's change in circumstances, a significant increase in personal income, and his marital status income. All of this indicated by CSEA review that Edward Gemmer is to pay child support to the mother of $658.56

ALERT!!!! Gemmer's status as a Franklin County Public Defender should not be above the law. Federal and state laws govern child support.

Judge Lias "ordered" a hearing regarding 2018 CSEA's determination, Magistrate Ruttan's reduction, and other matters to be heard on August 19, 2019 at 9:00AM. It will all be before Magistrate Ruttan; and she has already reduced the child support ordered by fair-minded CSEA from $658.56 to a mere $328.58. It should be noted here that Magistrate Ruttan is in juvenile court. She works closely with Edward Gemmer. Yes, there are potential conflicts of interests with both judges, and the CSEA determination is being eroded when there is a significant difference in income. These parent have never had the same potential income. My granddaughter has a law degree, but she is not a licensed attorney. 


From the outset and before hearing the child support case in 2018, Magistrate Ruttan disclosed her association to Edward Gemmer, and she promised my granddaughter that she will be fair and follow the law or she would recuse.

On the other hand, Judge Lias  never disclosed in 2009 that she had worked in the Franklin County Courthouse longer than any other domestic judge. She was more than a "visiting" judge, she is a retired judge. All other judges recused from this case years ago 2009 and so have recently elected judges.  They understood that they could be unfairly biased in order to favor and protect Gemmer, his violent parents, Gary Gemmer and Kathleen Simon, and his unethical attorneys, Joseph Nigh and GAL Mary Beth Kelleher Fisher who used stolen and tampered with email communications. In 2011, Edward Gemmer testified to spying in the mother's gmail account to see what was being said about him forcing showering with the child when she turned 4 years old. He was naked and she was upset about it.  And,Gemmer plead the Fifth to whether or not he shared the mother's attorney/client information. (SEE Tabs below and pick up file #09DR-4727).       

I WANT YOU TO BE TREATED FAIRLY IN COURT.  THIS IS A COMMON ISSUE!  Mothers trying to protect their children. And then years later trying to get long overdue child support from deadbeat inappropriate fathers. It is a travesty in domestic courts around the country especially when the father is being protected, and getting help when he is pro se and forgets to object or when his motions are incoherent. He is expected to lie when under oath or to plead the Fifth. He can even "temporarily" violate court orders.  Franklin County Public Defender, Edward Gemmer works in the Courthouse and he lies and pled the Fifth over and over again. He bragged years ago that he expects favors and on-going protection. In 2011, the mother's child support was terminated. Then in 2012 a settlement with a deviation of $473.29 to $0. On July 15,2019 in a Decision, Judge Lias corrected it to $597.29.  But prior to this decision and with similar income, Edward Gemmer had been ordered to pay child support by Magistrate McQuain/Judge Lias in 2010.  This was all BEFORE the corruption/retaliation started, and before a need for a website Grannie Saving Kids. Com. When McQuain left, Magistrate Elliot took over the case.  Joseph Nigh and Mary Beth Fisher came on board and the lies and pleading the Fifth over the mother's stolen and tampered with emails became historic.  The case is 09DR-4727.

My granddaughter's child support was stopped when Edward Gemmer briefly (only 2 1/2 months) had "Temporary Custody" but with my granddaughter having the majority parenting time. This was Elliot's 2011 order that made no sense, but to punish the mother and this family. It was retaliation. This ruling caused a fireball of complaints.  My granddaughter was punished by Magistrate Elliot for withholding custody.  She wanted inappropriate Edward Gemmer to get supervised visits and therapy. He got it, but it was forced on him and to protect him. It did not stop his conduct, grey-area sexual abuse until this website. GEMMER DID NOT STOP UNTIL HIS CONDUCT WAS EXPOSED

(SEE TAB -INCOMPETENT.)  It was wrong, hurtful and malicious. We went to the FBI and filed complaints.  There was a firestorm of complaints and petitions signed by professionals, friends and family members.  Judge Lias forced a settlement, and it was in the mother's favor.  But by 2012, the mother had already lost two jobs due to being in court for years and had $0 income. Public Defender Edward Gemmer could ride the elevators up and down, and sit for hours in court lying and pleading the Fifth while his job was protected.  My granddaughter ended up filing bankruptcy. Edward Gemmer was protected.  This is WRONG and why this website is important. This happens to mothers all the time.     

In 2012, and with no income, and while under duress my granddaughter signed a deviation to $0 in order to get her custody back and out of a corrupt court.  BUT, during that settlement negotiation, Edward Gemmer signed an incriminating Shared Parenting Plan. He was guilty of being in appropriate. 

Everybody knew that Franklin County Public Defender Edward Gemmer had a serious problem - inappropriate touching and forced showering in grey-area sexual abuse.  It was stopped because of complaints letters to the courts, and by exposing him on this website. But later during a year of court ordered family counseling, Gemmer pulled out his penis and peed in front of the child.  She was 6 years old in a family restroom in Walmart. She could have sat outside the door. The court said otherwise so you see why this website is important.  (SEE TAB below all tabs about 09-DR-4727.) 

  Edward Gemmer was allowed to do his dirty work, laugh about it, and his parents attacked my granddaughter. The court and GAL Fisher never said a negative word about it.  Justice for the mother against her ex-father-in-law, Gary Gemmer came outside of Franklin County Courts in another court in Ohio. He attacked a pregnant woman. (SEE ASSAULT TAB) at the bottom of this page and all other tabs that detail what happened to the mother and our family.)  I don't want it to happen to YOU and your child.  

Judge Lias should be able to recall that Edward Gemmer was not crying when he was lying and pleading the FIFTH in 2011/2012 or lying in court in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2018 and 2019.  He always lies and frequently violates the court order.  Gemmer was smirking when he was being inappropriate with his daughter and refused to stop it.  He lied under oath, but was told to "stop acting like a pervert."  Gemmer and Joseph Nigh burst out laughing when the mother described in court how the child at 5 year old was walking with a vaginal affection that occurred mysteriously after Gemmer had not been alone with the child for 9 months. My granddaughter was punished by Magistrate Elliot for withholding custody.  She prevailed, though, and this website stopped Edward Gemmer. The court did not and could not stop Edward Gemmer. There were too many conflicts of interests. Gemmer was smug when he downloaded stolen emails at his work and when he viewed attorney/client privileged information and shared them with Joseph Nigh. This family argued with the mother over what to do about Gemmer's conduct with the child, but not that he didn't do it. Edward Gemmer did not file any complaints citing false accusations. However, this family filed complaints with the Columbus police and the FBI. Edward Gemmer and his father, Gary Gemmer were the only people criminally investigated. Gary Gemmer was charged and prosecuted for attacking a pregnant mother. His wife, Kathleen Simon should have been charged and prosecuted as well.     

Public Defender Gemmer and his buddies were thrilled when Judge Kay Lias wrote in 2011, a biased Decision and Entry that could have destroyed my grandson's law career. (SEE TABS below)  It was unfair, inaccurate, biased and dangerous to the mother and child. Judge Lias should have recused in 2009 like the other judges who realized that they had a conflict of interest. Lias has only practiced as a judge in Franklin County Domestic Courts. She is the longest serving judge of those present then and now.  Lias knows everyone including the court reporters.

Franklin County Public Defender Edward Gemmer has diminished the reputation of everyone who has tried to protect him from his conduct.  He is not worth it. He is a liability.   

SEE TABS BELOW:  Child support and all other tabs that detail what the mother and this family has experienced with 09-DR-4727.  



I want you to know that despite retaliation, and a lie-filled bar complaint in 2011, Tampa Attorney/Ali Andrew Shakoor, my grandson was courageous.  He prevailed in proving his case.  The mother, family, and complaint letters from friends and professionals in the law field protected his law license. My grandson may have been emotional about his sister and niece, how they were being treated in court, but he told truth against lies in Ohio.  Some courts care about evidence and character.  (For details Attorney Ali Shakoor (See - Tab COURAGEOUS at the bottom of this page.) . 

ALERT! Gray-area is easy to get away with and you have to be persistent to stop it.  Franklin County Public Defender, Edward Simon Gemmer was investigated two-times for sexual abuse.

It was suggested that Edward Gemmer stop "acting like a pervert." But does a thief act lie a thiefWhy was the Franklin County Domestic Courts gullible when Gemmer lied while under oath and when he invoked the 5th repeatedly? Therapists involved with the 09-DR-4727 deleted or destroyed therapy notes before the ECO (Emergency Custody Order) in 2011, and final hearing in 2012.  GAL Mary Beth Fisher invoked the 5th and Attorney Joseph Nigh fabricated evidence when questioning the child's therapist. Why?  Was it because Edward Gemmer works in the courthouse? Is Gemmer actually fit to be an attorney in the juvenile division?

Public Defender Edward Gemmer has undermined the integrity of Franklin County Domestic Courts. He is expected to lie under oath and invoke the 5th Amendment.

ALERT!  Edward Gemmer was found in Contempt in 2014 (Click on TABS on bottom about the CONTEMPT.)  There was no other recourse. 

For more updates (Click on tabGood News - Concerns - UPDATES to 2019 - all are at bottom of this page).   

In 2010, 2011 and 2012, Edward Gemmer acted like a "pervert." The odd thing about it, is that everyone in our family was getting along before his conduct.  

There was no corruption in Franklin County Court Case 09DR-4727 until GAL Mary Beth Kelleher Fisher was appointed to the case.     

 During the forced showering and inappropriate conduct, Edward Gemmer was spying in his estranged wife's email account. He testified to wanting to know what was being said about him.  Why didn't he just STOP.  Edward Gemmer is a public defender. Does this sound like a behavior of pervert? 

During the court proceedings Edward Gemmer used tampered and stolen email communications where this family argued over what to do about his conduct, but not that he did not do it.  Members of this family wanted Edward to held accountable. The mother wanted him to have supervised visits and therapy for his inappropriate conduct. She wanted him to become a better father. While spying, Gemmer was privy to attorney/client information, unfiled motions, personal emails, affidavits, and correspondence with children service investigators. He shared tampered with emails with his attorney, Joseph Nigh, GAL/Mary Beth Kelleher Fisher, and with sexual abuse investigators. The emails were then taken out context and used in a vicious GAL report written by Fisher. This erroneous and false report was sent to the child's pediatrician, child care agency/ school, and to the child's therapist. It is probably still being passed around by Edward Gemmer. He is pathetic. People know the truth. Every morning when he looks in the mirror, Edward Gemmer knows his shameful behavior, and that all he had to do was STOP.  The GAL report was NEVER filed into evidence, but was used to distract from the child's complaints. This is what perverts do. They try and distract from their behavior. It is an act of desperation.  

The mother and members of our family filed complaints with the Columbus Police and the FBI. Members of our family asked for a criminal investigation. Public Defender, Edward Gemmer did NOT file any charges against anyone in this family.  What he did was plead the Fifth multiple times, and what he did was lie in court under oath. He lied and said he owned the Gmail account. Just an outright lie. The mother presented evidence that she opened her own account in 2008.  Gemmer was forced to stop his behavior.  Think about it. What kind of father would suddenly start showering naked with a 4-year old daughter?  When she complains then force the showering? What father would stop using wash cloths and bathe the child with his bare hands? The child complained and he persisted.  What kind of father would place "medicine" on the child's vagina when under investigation for sexual abuse and he did not have the "medicine?" What kind of father would spy in the mother's email account to see what is said about his conduct? Why not just stop it? 

There is a lot of detailed information on this website in the tabs below. All you have to do is click on them. What you are going to read is unsettling. Grey-area sexual abuse is common. It may be happening to you and your family right now.  Please be strong and believe that most people are good. Majority judges, attorneys, and parents are fair and decent people. They look out for the best interest of children.  What is concerning and outright corrupt is when careers are involved, bias, and financial gain that exploits emotional parents.  Cases that could be settled are dragged on for months and years.  Domestic court is a money maker.  More parents need to speak up.  File your complaints, motions, affidavits and transcripts.    

U.S. Attorney's Office - Southern District

     303 Marconi Blvd.  Ste 200

     Columbus, Ohio 43215


YOU can do the same. Speak Up!!! 

Even today, in 2019, there is still a problemm when relying on the court for a fair ruling. Visiting Judge Lias should have recused in 2009. All other judges did and she was longest on the bench.   (SEE TABS BELOW ).

Although, Franklin County Public Defender Edward Gemmer signed an incriminating shared parenting plan in 2012, he is protected by the court when his conduct is outrageous. This attorney can lie under oath.  It is expected of him to lie when he frequently violates the court order.  Excuses are made for his conduct.  "Don't people lie?" 

ALERT!  Edward Gemmer was found in Contempt in 2014 by Judge Kay Lias. There was no other recourse when he had taken the child out of the country.  Since his last contempt his conduct where he violates the court order, it is viewed as "temporary."  Another Contempt on Edward Gemmer would look bad for the court.   

If you are having similar problems, this website may protect your child and you from retaliation. I want you to be a strong advocate, and maintain this attitude no matter what you are up against in court. Just always tell the truth and protect your child from "grey-area" sexual abuse and neglect. It is important to expose corruption and ask for accountability.  More parents, therapists, psychologists, and attorneys need to speak up about unethical proceedings, bullying tactics, and retaliation in the courtroom. One day there will be a federal investigation. The safety and well-being of children should always be first. 

Send your complaints past or present to the address above. 

The mother and this family fought hard in court for the child's rights.  You need to fight for your child.  DO NOT give up if your child is complaining and unhappy.  Your child is counting on your courage. 

The central message in this website is that although you may encounter major corruption in domestic courts, it is important to document everything and PROTECT your child. 




Children are priceless

Children are delightful

Children deserve love

Children deserve to be protected and safe